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  Before knowing TTATT did you really believe in things as...

  by roberto avon in

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  did you really believe in things as ;- the earth is only 6000 years old- the 144.000- 1914, based upon the destructiono of jerusalem- harmagheddon or the end of the world coming soon???

  ?i married a jw when i was an interested person and studying with the jw's ( not the way they wanted) but i told my wife before marrying her that " most probably " i would never have been a jw.she accepted me as i was and married me.

  after that i had interrupted the study for one year, i started all over again with an elder of my wife's cong.

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  roberto avon

  Xanthippe.

  I married my wife because I loved her and I love her and I thought that the Jws were a normal religion, which it isn't. I studied not in the way they wanted ( also with my own bible ) and to know something more about my wife's religion. She is very liberal and goes to the Kh once every two weeks, doesn't go in field service or door to door and is also skeptical about the points I have asked you. My " problem " is ; how should I tell her that she isn't at all a Jw?" But, you know, who cares? Our three children are " normal " and she says that she goes to the Kh for God and not the organization. People in our neighbourhood don't know she is a Jw. I don't think that she is the only one but there are many like here, especially in Italy
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  Before knowing TTATT did you really believe in things as...

  by roberto avon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  did you really believe in things as ;- the earth is only 6000 years old- the 144.000- 1914, based upon the destructiono of jerusalem- harmagheddon or the end of the world coming soon???

  ?i married a jw when i was an interested person and studying with the jw's ( not the way they wanted) but i told my wife before marrying her that " most probably " i would never have been a jw.she accepted me as i was and married me.

  after that i had interrupted the study for one year, i started all over again with an elder of my wife's cong.

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  roberto avon

  Village Idiot,

  yes, I made a mistake because 6000 years is referred to the first man and not to the earth. But this shows, that for me it was such a nonsense that I didn't even listen to what they said. I was raised as a non practisant catholic but already at the age of 10,11 years I became agnostic, what I still am. If you are not a born in, or already with a strong faith ( look at the results of the Jws in Latin America ) I think it is very difficult to believe this " stuff."
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  Before knowing TTATT did you really believe in things as...

  by roberto avon in

  1. jw
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  did you really believe in things as ;- the earth is only 6000 years old- the 144.000- 1914, based upon the destructiono of jerusalem- harmagheddon or the end of the world coming soon???

  ?i married a jw when i was an interested person and studying with the jw's ( not the way they wanted) but i told my wife before marrying her that " most probably " i would never have been a jw.she accepted me as i was and married me.

  after that i had interrupted the study for one year, i started all over again with an elder of my wife's cong.

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  roberto avon

  Did you really believe in things as ;- the earth is only 6000 years old- the 144.000- 1914, based upon the destructiono of Jerusalem- Harmagheddon or the end of the world coming soon????
  I married a Jw when I was an interested person and studying with the Jw's ( not the way they wanted) but I told my wife before marrying her that " most probably " I would never have been a Jw.
  She accepted me as I was and married me. After that I had interrupted the study for one year, I started all over again with an elder of my wife's cong. I did it for more than one year but never, not even for one moment, I believed the topics mentioned above. Of course this drove the elder crazy and he didn't want go on with me
  I discussed many times with my wife and she is very open and sincere in telling me some points she never really understood but since she is a born in she was just doing as the rest of herbfamily.
  Did you never have any doubts before knowing TTATT? I mean the really tipical and absurd Jw's doctrines?
  
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  What I Like About This Forum...

  by Tempest in a Teacup in

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  ...is that it gives me insight into jw circles i'd otherwise never know.. my mother loathes gossip and derives a personal pleasure in shutting jw gossips up.

  as a family, we belong to that boring side of the congregation which never hear any of the juicy stories on the going-ons in the hall.. this forum however makes it possible to have a real panoramic view of the whole thingy.

  from the gb to bethel, to the elders and their families, to the ninja-pioneer army, and many other cliques in the congregations.

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  roberto avon

  what I like about this forum......
  
  I am married since 28 years with a born in Jw ( very liberal, though )
  I always thought that I was strong enough to protect my family from the undue influence of " fanatic " Jw family members and the sisters of the cong that dropped by, so now and then.
  That is untrue and thanks to this forum I even know more than my wife who attends 2/3 meetings a month.
  The information I find here is very important and helps me in understanding what is happening in my wife's religion and be prepared when there is a family discussion.
  
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  Russian Court Denounces Jehovah's Witnesses as 'Extremist'-- The Moscow Times Mar. 04 2015

  by defender of truth in

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  "a court in southern russia has denounced a local organization of jehovah's witnesses as "extremist" and ordered it disbanded, the interfax news agency reported wednesday, in the latest in a long line of such rulings issued to the religious group in russia.. the group's building and surrounding land will be confiscated by the local government in the town of abinsk, krasnodar region, the court ruled.the group had been distributing publications titled "humanity in search of god" and "what does the bible really teach?

  " that were included in the federal list of extremist materials and are banned for distribution in the country, the news report said.

  http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/russian-court-denounces-jehovah-s-witnesses-as-extremist/517026.html.

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  roberto avon

  
  
  wether you are a repressive goverment that uses propaganda ( Russia ?? ) or a " western democracy looking for weapons of mass destruction ( USA + GB ?? ) and invading foreign countries ( thank you very much, now we have Isis ) , somebody has to stop cults like Scientology or Watchtower.
  It has nothing to do with freedom of religion
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  I just stumbled across this rabbit hole!

  by kairos in

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  just wow!.

  some of the comments i read were hard to stomach.. https://www.facebook.com/myministryideaz?fref=photo.

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  roberto avon

  there's also an article about Pope Francis praising JWs, 100% fake ( I told them but I don't think I'll get a reply )
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  Introducing myself

  by maksutov in

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  my name is russ, i'm 40 years old, from the uk, and i left the jws nearly 5 years ago.

  i've been a member of the yuku board throughout that time, so there are probably some on here who know me already.

  there seems to be more activity over here at the moment, so i thought i'd pop in and say hi.i was raised as a jw, started questioning it when i was 16, but there was no internet back then (well, no www anyway) so i got sucked right in and got baptized when i was 18. auxiliary pioneered on and off for a couple of years, then became a ministerial servant.

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  Welcome Russ, I never was a Jw but I am married to one, although she is quite liberal. My kids ( 26,21 and 13 ) aren't. The family of my wife ( parents and siblings ) are all Jws.

  We share a lot of interests as science, weight lifting, writing and classical guitar. My question is;" did you always have these interests or only after you left the Jws?"
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  An anthropologist visits a JW community in Santa María Zapotitlán, Mexico

  by OrphanCrow in

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  dr. jena barchas-lichtenstein is an anthropologist who received her doctorate through ucla.. https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jena-barchas-lichtenstein/43/427/702.

  in 2013, barchas-lichtenstein submitted the paper "when the dead are resurrected, how are we going to speak to them?

  ": jehovah's witnesses and the use of indigenous languages in the globalizing textual community as a partial submission for her doctoral dissertation..

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  roberto avon

  OrphanCrow, I am reading  the doctoral dissertation of Dr. Jena Barchas and you're absolutely right that she isn't a Jw.
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  An anthropologist visits a JW community in Santa María Zapotitlán, Mexico

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  dr. jena barchas-lichtenstein is an anthropologist who received her doctorate through ucla.. https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jena-barchas-lichtenstein/43/427/702.

  in 2013, barchas-lichtenstein submitted the paper "when the dead are resurrected, how are we going to speak to them?

  ": jehovah's witnesses and the use of indigenous languages in the globalizing textual community as a partial submission for her doctoral dissertation..

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  roberto avon

  Very interesting read even if I did not understand it 100% ( English is my 4th language ) and my first reaction is ; " How the hell can she be so smart and skilled and still be a Jw?" I think, though, it is unfair to say so because I was Catholic ( remember Galileo ??)  and still am superstitious ( black cats, ladders aso ). 

  If I could ever meet this lady I would ask her what is behind this mysterial language of the Jehovah's. When my wife told me she was a Jw and invited ( very bad ) me for a dinner with her family for the first time in my life i heard words as ; wordling, elder, overseer, meeting, assembly, pioneer, field service, and bla, bla, bla....

  
  
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  New Apostate: Tempest in a Teacup

  by Tempest in a Teacup in

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  first post on here.

  i've been lurking for 3-4 years and i mean i've been a mega lurker, doing marathon reading sessions for months or weeks.. sometimes i proceed by researching specific topics, or posters; other times just reading current discussions.

  i'm particularly fond of "old" post, i.e 10-12-15 years ago.. i have laughed, smiled, got mad, cried etc, just reading some threads here.. as you can see i suffer from some kind of "accute lurkitis".

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  roberto avon

  yes, good for you Tempest. I believe that there a lot of Jws like you.